All posts by Saunt3D

The Wrap isn't remotely reliable, so your confusion can be cleared by realizing that simple fact. The only reason to look at any of their articles is they know the Blue Beetle director. I haven't seen them use any source related to the DCEU beyond that, and as a result many of their articles are later proved false. Like others have said, Hamada's last day is currently October 21. That's from Hamada himself. Zaslav already said he was looking for a replacement for Hamada like two months ago, and Hamada wasn't even informed ahead of time that Batgirl was being canceled, so he's already not involved with company strategy. He's not only on the way out, but he's in a menial position at this point, and it's showing, so he's trying to ease his embarrassment by making it look like he's valued in the industry at the shameful end of his shameful run.

It was a major part of Zack's vision that other storytellers did their own thing; that they added their own contributions to the universe. "Snyderverse" isn't a very useful term, because you can absolutely use it in a way that includes all DCEU media apart from JL 2017, but you could also use it so tightly that it only includes three movies - even excluding Wonder Woman, despite the fact that it's the most "Snyder" DCEU movie. So what does it really mean? It's open to interpretation, so all it really means is "not JL."

Ezra likes doing a lot of makeup and dress-up stuff. I wouldn't think too much about it.

He said Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are a priority, and he also displayed images of the DCEU versions of these characters at the same meeting. Doesn't necessarily mean anything.

There was no Supergirl movie cancelation. There was no Supergirl movie in the first place. Rolling Stone created the concept of a Sasha Calle Supergirl movie just to knock it down.

Affleck won't be back, because he quit (but then he came back, then came back again), then quit again (but already came back again). Ray refused to work with Hamada unless Hamada apologizes, but Hamada's end date is October 21, and Ray's unavailable until November, so the schedules line up well.

Probably. Depends exactly what's involved. It's not "cheap," but Zack did it with Army of the Dead with a much smaller character than Batman. Either way, that still adds to the cost, which is already more than they want to pay.

That's true, the Ezra situation is not like the Depp situation, because the Depp situation was front and center everywhere, while no one outside of the WBD sphere knows anything about the Ezra tabloids.

Because the "Snyderverse" movies each took in 2-6 times what the "Hamadaverse" movies took in at the box office, depending on which movies you compare to each other. Since the opinions of the critics are irrelevant to the business (and irrelevant altogether among people capable of independent thought), there's no point in bringing them up. The critic scores could have been zero across the board and it wouldnt' change the fact that restoring the Snyderverse is the obvious business choice to make. Performing "below expectations" and performing well are not the least bit incompatible - case in point, the very topic of conversation, which makes it all the sillier to bring up.

Collider isn't a source, they're an outlet, and they're re-reporting on something from a year ago in that article.

The situation with Johnny Depp blew over, and Ezra's story is tiny in comparison. Even Amber Heard is starting to blow over, and there was actual evidence against her. Jim Lee didn't say there were no plans to continue the Snyderverse, he said there are no plans to storyboard the Snyderverse (in a venue where he would have been breaching contract to say otherwise). He also said there were no plans to release ZSJL shortly before it was announced. If you take the bias out of the Rolling Stone article and word it like a news story instead of a hit piece, the only parts that are negative are easily dismissed as most likely, if not assuredly false. There were multiple breakdowns of that right in here when it occurred, but the fact that you can look at dozens, probably hundreds of quotes from different people with a public name and face who have worked directly with Zack Snyder and describe him as the exact opposite of how a single anonymous source described him in a hit piece, then accept the claim from a person that can't even be shown to exist because it makes the guy whose movies you don't like look like bad, that's a blind bias beyond all reason.

Someone just create a single post designated for arguing about the cancelation and let's ban that kind of talk elsewhere :P

Minor correction on the answers: They have not said "no" before. You're thinking of WB.

"And where is the Council of Krypton?"

"Destroyed, sir."

"Then proceed."

If the question was if they'd consider it, absolutely. There's no question they've attempted to work out how the pieces could fit together. The question is if they were able to work it out. Zack has always said he'd be happy to come back, even if it was with the people who didn't like him. He's also doing really well elsewhere, so it might get harder and harder to nail him down. Henry's been waiting to come back, Gal and Jason are always willing to reprise with or without Snyder (but prefer him), Ben loves playing Batman as long as he doesn't have to deal with corporate bureaucracy and made it clear he'd return for Zack. Ray only made trouble for people who made trouble for WBD and would work on any project for Zack no matter the role. Ezra's got media heat right now, but that will probably wear off almost entirely by the time The Flash comes out unless any of these outlets ever manage to find actual evidence for anything. Amber may or may not have a harder go of it, but her role could be completely removed from future movies without impacting anything. Adams and Porter want back in, Carr and Lennix want back in. There's no "yes" until there's a "yes," but since it's a strong business move and Zaslav cares about business moves rather than social moves, it's more likely yes than no.

*Until the media stops using Ezra to get clicks.

Not that Ezra's necessarily a great person or anything, but again, almost all the reports about him have more evidence against the claims than for. People are stirred up by the media, not by Ezra's actions.

Sure, but if you're just saying that all these movies were spinoffs from the Snyderverse therefore they're Snyderverse, it's a fine way to use the term, but it no longer means much when you say "half the movies that were scrapped were part of the Snyderverse," because they all were. Wonder Twins and Batgirl were ultimately, however indirectly, spinoffs from Zack Snyder projects. I'm just pointing out that they weren't part of Zack's plans, so it's not like canceling them is anti-Zack. WB was anti-Zack, but WBD hasn't done anything against his plans yet.

So, The Batman. Most of these are irrelevant to Snyder's plans, and things like Deathstroke and Cyborg never took off in the first place, so there was never anything to scrap. Based on the looseness of this list, you could have included Gotham City Sirens, Deadshot, Atom, the second Superman solo, and Suicide Squad 2 as well.

Was there ever a Snyderverse movie that was scrapped? I'm not even sure what you're referring to.

It's too early for me to say if Zaslav is going to restore the Snyderverse @PeaceMaster1010 . I think he must have been trying to get the pieces lined up for that behind the scenes, as I would expect anyone without anti-Snyder bias to do in his position, so it's probably more a matter of what he was able to work out than anything. Bringing Affleck back for Aquaman can be taken as a good sign. Stating the upcoming movies are terrific and can be made even better can be taken as a good sign. The cancelation of Batgirl, heavily rumored to be a project created specifically to be anti-Snyderverse, can be taken as a good sign. Zack Snyder teasing DC projects on Vero can be taken as a good sign. None of that assures anything, and none of those necessarily point to the Snyderverse.

They canceled it because the remaining cost to finish it as-is was too high, and your solution is make changes that would increase the cost - dramatically if it really was half the scenes.

They could write a movie based directly on the plot of the first movie. The problem was that this movie was in the middle ground - too much remaining cost to be worth putting on streaming, but built on a cheaper budget that isn't worth putting in theaters. Write a new movie with the same premise, scrapping the studio-enforced ideas of the original, then give the team a bigger budget to make it everything they wanted it to be, instead of an overpriced made-for-tv, studio-edict movie.

They couldn't use anything from the original movie either way. As far as making a for-profit project is concerned, everything they already did effectively doesn't exist. That doesn't mean they couldn't have Fraser back It's not really a The Batman situation, because that was a creator-driven film taken over by the studio, then given to someone else to restart their own creator-driven film. This was a studio-driven film that could be recreated from the ground up as a creator-driven film.

For the record, I'm not going to lock a post just because people don't understand each other. I'll only lock it if it gets too far off topic or becomes inappropriate.

The Flash isn't likely to bomb because of the media manipulation around Ezra Miller. The general audiences don't follow this gossip, and those of us who care look into the details realize almost all of the accusations have more evidence against than for, often being outright proved false. So it's only the people who like spicy headlines and don't care about the facts who will fall for them.

Didn't his contract just end? Or it's about to. Either way, it looks like WB didn't get anything out of him. Just handed him a bunch of money and locked down characters for him to do nothing with.

They are probably not happening, no.